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catwoman · **Posted:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:00 pm

This is happening the same way as with the young osprey (Koo) in Finland with the broken leg whose nest had a webcam. They banded her & put her back in the nest, but there was an uproar from the public about them not doing anything to help her. She did learn to fly, but got into a situation that she couldn't get out of. Some hunters found her & got help for her, but after x-raying her legs, it was determined that the bones in both legs were brittle & therefore she couldn't be helped. She was then euthanized.

eiguoc · **Posted:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:57 pm

A lot of us people would love to throttle Louise Joubert & her animals rights
Copied from Graham page on facebook. If you've watched Djuma you know who he is & how much he has done for the reserve.
"As someone mentioned earlier, elephants usually die of old age in the wild, as they have almost no predators. They have a very complex social structure, and actually need to go through the end together ... for the benefit of those that survive, rather than those that die. By euthanizing we rob this herd of this process, to some extent ... but I ... Read Moreguess that at least its 'humane' (sarcasm).
The applying of humanity to animals is just not fair to them. I hope I do not witness this sort of animal rights activism again ...

@Louise Joubert and Animal Rights Africa, I hope you all sleep soundly tonight knowing that you help 'steal' an old lady's right to die with her herd and say her goodbyes properly.
Sometimes the greater pain is not the physical one."

"I think that universal Health Care for all wild animals is a must ... NOW!
I also am tired of the fact that some animals seem to think that it is acceptable to undermine the rights of others ... by killing them, stealing their nests and females. I have also been led to believe that there are some animals that ignore their children after birth and ... Read Morethis is totally unacceptable. We need the ARA and Louise Joubert to explain how we as humans are going to collectively ensure that locusts only have as many children as they can care for, and then start building orphanages for the rest.
They are naive and silly to think that the natural world runs on our rules ... thank God nature has a more robust management plan than the one that Sanwild and the ARA have in mind."

From one of the rangers
"I doubt Louise and ARA are unhappy. I suspect they'll have a dop and think they saved the ellie some suffering and mark it down as a triumph. Wonder if all old ellies will get obligatory dental check to determine when to put them down."

Dutch Eagle Fan · **Posted:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:05 pm

I feel great anger towards these stupid people that have created this unpleasant and unneeded controversy.

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Louise Joubert and Animal Rights Africa, I hope you all sleep soundly tonight knowing that you help 'steal' an old lady's right to die with her herd and say her goodbyes properly

That is exactly what I thought when reading about the old lady being euthanised, it's just NOT right to intervene in a natural process. It's not a pet, for crying out loud.

Elephants are very social, they mourn their dead. Now the herd is robbed of that and that is very sad.

What will these people want next? Start a program to make the Lions eat grass? The animals in these game reserves are WILD animals, not Zoo animals.
So we humans have to take a completely different approach to them. All we should do is make sure that these animals keep their natural habitat where they can do what they are supposed to do.
Live and die as part of the whole wildlife community, without human intervention.
Haven't we humans destroyed enough already? Time and time again it turns out for the worse when we try to intervene and change the natural course of life. Let's wake up and leave it to mother Earth to set the rules.
I could write a lot more but will not do it . . . . . :evil:

eiguoc · **Posted:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:49 pm

DEF; on Graham's page & on Hancock, Skipper had posted a letter that she has sent this "idiot person" Her e-mail is given too so people can sound off their outrage. I don't think I'll do that because then she'll have my e-mail. I really feel for the poor family & the youngster.Waiting for more info on facebook. I wonder did they chase away the rwest of the herd just so they could get her. They say she was alone. before the herd circled around her. Hopefully 2morrow happier thoughts here & pics.

eiguoc · **Posted:** Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:13 am

Can you tell I'm in :flowers

I think the little wrinkly pups are just to adorable, sweet, cute, huggable. Did I leave anything out? These were taken from seeks from the ast 2 morning drives since I'm :zzzzz

when it's on. I love the archives

eiguoc · **Posted:** Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:14 am

There is also some happy, but stunning news from Graham:
The sick ellie cow was NOT killed. She is alive :!:

Link to one one-line story:
http://www.timeslive.co.za/news/article134233.ece

catwoman · **Posted:** Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:29 am

That's wonderful news, eguoc! I'm glad she has improved for the moment, and hopefully when it is time for her to pass on, she will be allowed to do so with her herd in the "elephant" way...

eiguoc · **Posted:** Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:48 am

Marc has gone to confirm this is her the bigger one

Dutch Eagle Fan · **Posted:** Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:39 am

I am sóóó happy that common sense has prevailed! :thumbup

And she seems to be much better now.
What a relief that the vet(s) decided to let nature take it's course.
She now can live her life as intended and when her time comes she will go the natural way, hopefully surrounded by her herd. :rainbow

eiguoc · **Posted:** Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:42 am

A beautiful touching scene. We are all getting teary eyed on Hancock

she even shook her trunk & spoke.

Karula & her 2 kitties are there too with the elle. what an amazing sight

Catbird · **Posted:** Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:45 pm

Thanks, eiguoc, for the lovely pictures today and for the great news about the elephant that recovered on her own. (I'd been afraid to visit this topic when that elephant was so sick. It was very worried and distressed to see her in such sad shape then.)

Dutch Eagle Fan · **Posted:** Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:03 pm

I got distracted. My youngest daughter is off to Turkey, for a vacation. And I tracked her flight take off with Google Earth. It's an overlay for all the plane movements around Schiphol.

Anyway, it was wonderful to see the old Lady with her calf. Every minute the little one can still be with his/her mother is precious.
She can still teach her last baby a lot about Elephant life. The baby will be better prepared for the life ahead.

And then there was the surprising appearance of Karula and the two cubs. I couldn't resist and took some screenshots (143 . . . :wink:

)

My PB album of WE

A slide show of the screenshots on Youtube .

eiguoc · **Posted:** Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:37 pm

I'm glad you got to watch that DeF.. We are all abuzz on the pieters, grahams, peters, marcs, facebook pages baout her. A celebration is in order

eiguoc · **Posted:** Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:41 am

some of us using sympatico can't get connected to Wildearth today. this just sucks.

Knorrie · **Posted:** Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:57 pm

Thats indeed :tearhair

Maybe those will make it less painfull :happysun

Photo slideshow by Pieter in FSC
Realy beautiful
This part it start nearly at the end
LINK
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Enjoy

eiguoc · **Posted:** Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:44 pm

Would you believe this took me OVER 1/2 an hour from scape time to edit time to finish STUPID Norton 2010
Patrick is saying that one of the Manyletti males was killed by the Mapogos, and the other one was injured.Patrick thinks that this is the surviving Manyletti male. Pics gotten from archives seeks. One very handsome male. The Mogopos ARE the BAD BOYS of Djuma

kittenface · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:51 am

Handsome isn't the word for this guy
So sorry to hear about the othrrs tho

eiguoc · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:58 pm

Update on the sick Grand Dame. They believe she has passed away . Links to seeks in archives
http://www.wildearth.tv/web/djuma1?streamId=djuma1%2F2009%2F10%2F04%2F2009-10-04-18-41_djuma1.flv&start=563

http://www.wildearth.tv/web/djuma1?streamId=djuma1%2F2009%2F10%2F04%2F2009-10-04-18-51_djuma1.flv&start=6

kittenface · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:41 pm

eiguoc

I'm so sorry for you I believe you became attached fairly fast didn't you?
This is so sad but she did get to be with the herd and now they can do their
mourning like nature intended we had a few more days with her too
She was a beautiful Elephant and she lived a long life
Thank you for keeping us in the loop on all the happenings there

Knorrie · **Posted:** Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:14 pm

It is sad indeed but she got the time saying goodbye in the natural way.
Old Lady

That Manyeleti Male is so beautiful now.

eiguoc
Realy grown up.
These brothers were october 2008 at Gowrie pan with a prey nearby.
They came to the pan for a drink and met a few Dagga boys there.
Never forget how they had to make way for those big boys.

Teenagers then (19-10-2009) :lol:

Januari 2009 seen at Nkorho pan and one had a broken backleg.
Pics from Karen/Jacques on the Boma
After that not seen again together.
The one left alone now has been seen with one of the Nkuhuma's (Snaggletooth) in Mars 2009 at Djuma.
Reports from Rangers are confusing. sometimes :roll:

But my archived pics tell me what is seen by me

Happy he is still there. 8-)

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